Magister Aequitas
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Getting back at this forum after some years and finding out it's still working but very very quiet..
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Post by Magister Aequitas on May 28, 2010 2:39:30 GMT 10
I'm a bit into (traditional European) heraldry myself and this new developement sounds very promising. I think it is a very good idea.
I like the connection with the heraldic tradition of Napoleon (the heraldic tradition of the French Revolution) which in itself was of course a reaction to the heraldry of the Ancienne Regime.
On my website you can see the Coat of Arms of my family. Since my ancestors are Frysians, the Frysian Eagle has a dominant place on the shield. It is a very traditional Coat of Arms I'm afraid, but I like it very much. Our motto is in Latin of course. It means "Our thoughts are free" and it is said that it is a quote from the Roman lawyer and senator Cicero.
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Post by Ben Van Gak on May 28, 2010 12:59:07 GMT 10
I have to say I had my reservations at first when reading about a new insignia system outside traditional norms. However, now that we have a better picture of what is being planned I am most impressed and see that it has been very well thought out!
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When it is all set up, will citizens be allowed to come up with their own design for the roundel, subject to Atlantium insignia rules and final approval?
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will Atlantium only be designing all insignia for its citizens when petitioned?
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If someone already has a personal coat of arms, would Atlantium permit this citizen to place their shield’s heraldic design (devices) inside the roundel (minus the shield of course)?
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Will Atlantium hold full copyright of a person’s insignia, or just the template used to contain one’s individual design?
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Will Atlantium be developing its own blazon language?
I apologize for all the questions, but I am sure these would eventually pop up from others out there who would be interested.
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Post by Ben Van Gak on May 30, 2010 1:49:35 GMT 10
I've seen on the news that Sydney is going to be struck by a cyclone this weekend. I sincerely hope the storm passes by with no harm done to the people of Sydney, the Emperor and Atlantium.
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Post by HIM George II on May 30, 2010 6:52:50 GMT 10
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Post by Ben Van Gak on May 30, 2010 12:11:21 GMT 10
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Post by HIM George II on May 30, 2010 15:33:47 GMT 10
Ah yes... the Daily Telegraph. That explains it. The Telegraph is a Murdoch tabloid; it's not what you'd call a reliable news source. The storms in question are nothing extraordinary... and in any case they're happening more than 200 kilometres south of Sydney. It's overcast, but we've had no rain at all here today.  |
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Post by HIM George II on May 30, 2010 21:15:13 GMT 10
I have to say I had my reservations at first when reading about a new insignia system outside traditional norms. However, now that we have a better picture of what is being planned I am most impressed and see that it has been very well thought out! 1. When it is all set up, will citizens be allowed to come up with their own design for the roundel, subject to Atlantium insignia rules and final approval? or will Atlantium only be designing all insignia for its citizens when petitioned? 2. If someone already has a personal coat of arms, would Atlantium permit this citizen to place their shield’s heraldic design (devices) inside the roundel (minus the shield of course)? 3. Will Atlantium hold full copyright of a person’s insignia, or just the template used to contain one’s individual design? 4. Will Atlantium be developing its own blazon language? I apologize for all the questions, but I am sure these would eventually pop up from others out there who would be interested. As one who holds an undergraduate design degree (although I've not worked as a designer for more than 2 decades), Atlantium's iconography has always been a subject very close to my heart. In answer to your queries: 1. Yes - to a large extent. The creation of any personal signum would be a consultative process, involving initial input and suggestions from the applicant, followed by ongoing back-and-forth discussion, until a satisfactory design is agreed upon by the designer and the recipient. The aim is of course to create something that is aesthetically pleasing, while also representing the individual's characteristics, achievements or heritage in a fitting manner. 2. In most cases yes. The only real issue I can see arising is if the Citizen's traditional heraldic achievement is overly complex due to marshalling or the presence of cadency marks, in which case a simplified variant would be preferred. 3. The actual image created by Atlantium's Director of Protocol would be copyrighted by Atlantium - but the right to use that image - and the right to use the design itself - would implicitly be granted to the Citizen for whom the signum was created. In practise the Citizen would be free to use their signum pretty much as they wished - so long as the basic dignity of the symbol was respected by not associating it with inappropriate or criminal activities that might bring the entire system into disrepute. 4. Yes. It already exists in a basic form. The language used to describe the Signum of the Ministry of Social Services follows the intended form: www.atlantium.org/Vox_Imperium_5-12_210710524.pdfA further example can be seen in Article IX of our proposed new Constitution, which has been a work-in-progress for several years: The seal of the Empire is the Imperial State Signum, this being a Roundel outlined throughout in Deep Steel Blue, and having as its chief device an Imperial Eagle, its form derived from historic precedent, symbolising Atlantium as a State without borders, displayed against a Golden Orb representing the Light of Reason, all contained within an Azure Blue Empyrean Sky Ring, denoting the limitlessness of human potential - this latter containing within it the full Name and the Motto of the State. As you can see, Atlantian "blazon" is somewhat less formally structured than that used in traditional heraldry - but still (I think) somewhat poetic. |
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Post by HIM George II on May 30, 2010 21:24:45 GMT 10
I'm a bit into (traditional European) heraldry myself and this new developement sounds very promising. I think it is a very good idea. I like the connection with the heraldic tradition of Napoleon (the heraldic tradition of the French Revolution) which in itself was of course a reaction to the heraldry of the Ancienne Regime. On my website you can see the Coat of Arms of my family. Since my ancestors are Frysians, the Frysian Eagle has a dominant place on the shield. It is a very traditional Coat of Arms I'm afraid, but I like it very much. Our motto is in Latin of course. It means "Our thoughts are free" and it is said that it is a quote from the Roman lawyer and senator Cicero. Thanks for your input Machiel. You have correctly identified the parallels between Napoleon's Empire and that of Atlantium. Atlantium is very much an "Imperial Republic" along similar lines to the first French Empire - the exception being that our monarchy is not hereditary, and is hence even more "republican" and meritocratic in form. It is interesting to note that the official titulary of Napoleon I very clearly identifies him as Emperor of the French Republic: His Imperial and Royal Majesty Napoleon I, By the Grace of God and the Constitutions of the Republic, Emperor of the French, King of Italy, Protector of the Confederation of the Rhine and the Grand Duchy of Frankfurt, Mediator of the Helvetic Confederation. |
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Post by Ben Van Gak on Jun 3, 2010 13:02:27 GMT 10
Thank you for the responses. More questions:
1.When it collects enough registered Signums, will Atlantium be publishing a Signums book to be legally deposited in a national library such as the National Library of Australia, National Library of Canada, US Library of Congress…? This way, the signums can be preserved for future generations.
2. Will Atlantium also be developing its own National (Imperial) Library someday?
3. And the bottom line, what will be the cost to register a Signum with the Empire?
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Post by HIM George II on Jun 4, 2010 9:58:09 GMT 10
More answers:
1. Very likely. It's fairly easy to self-publish hard-copy books with very limited print-runs these days, so I see no reason why we couldn't, wouldn't or shouldn't.
2. The creation of a physical State Library/Museum/Archive that people can visit to view actual artefacts, books, documents etc is certainly on our agenda.
3. No idea at this stage, but I'm thinking that IS 50 (US $50) or thereabouts would be a sustainable rate. However, in cases where a previously non-armigerous Citizen is en-nobled, I anticipate that a Signum would be awarded gratis.
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Post by cloudrf on Aug 18, 2010 14:33:52 GMT 10
Your highness try lulu.com, they print what you put as pdf, might be useful, also, there are no contracts
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Post by linael on Apr 22, 2013 3:02:48 GMT 10
Funny, this looks a lot like the design used for the coat of arms of Portugal.  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_PortugalSo, although "The European heraldic tradition (...) is fundamentally ideologically incompatible with Atlantium" (quote from HIM George II - May 20, 2010), the Atlantium heraldic tradition is not very far from it. But who cares ? |
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Post by linael on Apr 22, 2013 5:48:36 GMT 10
So how about some coat of arms for the empire of Atlantium ?  |
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